2018/10/07 Mayfair HOA

2018/10/07 Mayfair HOA

On October 7th the Warner Family met with residents of the Mayfair HOA, a development that neighbors the Warner Brook property. After receiving a briefing on where the annexation application stands, many questions and comments were discussed.

The concept development plan of mixed uses was discussed in detail. Against the backdrop of the current Fireman’s Field episode, Mayfair residents welcomed the potential benefits of an expanded family and youth sports recreation facility that would be run commercially rather than by the Town.

Traffic was the first issue of concern to Mayfair residents. The 690 interchange with Rt. 7 Bypass will hasten connection of Mayfair Crown Drive to 690. An entrance to Warner Brook, probably by a mandated traffic circle, would align with Mayfair Crown Drive on 611 Purcellville Road, providing through traffic possibilities to Mayfair Crown Drive. The possibility of a slip ramp off of Rt. 7 Bypass westbound onto 611 northbound right turn lanes into Warner Brook, all on Warner Brook land, was discussed as an overall traffic mitigation. The imminent plans for the County and VDOT to improve 287 southbound from the Rt. 7 Bypass turning westbound onto Hirst was also discussed.

Another issue of general concern was related to Town fiscal stability. Smart, slow, measured, and controlled growth is what these Mayfair residents want, for strengthening Town finances. They asked for pragmatic, realistic solutions coming from the Town Council as they address scenarios that can force increases in taxes and utility fees. They don’t want higher taxes, and they especially don’t want dramatic hikes in their utility fees. They welcomed the Warner Brook annexation application, because it provides an opportunity to possibly mitigate these fiscal pressures on the Town, much like Mayfair did. As citizens of the Town of Purcellville, these Mayfair residents did not want to pay 100% for someone else’s no-growth agenda.

These residents of Mayfair were going to ask Council members to fully explore the Warner Brook annexation application by voting Yes on October 23rd.

2018, July 10 HOA Updates, Wright Farm

2018/07/10 Wright Farm HOA

The Warner family invited Wright Farm residents to discuss the Warner Brook annexation application and development plans. A dozen residents participated.

The collective position of these residents was categorically opposed to the concept development plan. Their first suggestion was to place the property in easement and minimize any development. Their next suggestion was by-right residential development, as they did to Wright Farm. They had not considered what commercial and residential uses are allowed in JLMA-3 by-right.

The biggest concern of residents is that Warner Brook would somehow trigger implementation of the County/VDOT plan for constructing a Northern Collector. The Northern Collector is undesirable to Wright Farm because the alignment is already deeded in Wright Farm properties. The residents of Wright Farm don’t want the Northern Collector through their development. The Warner Family doesn’t have any say in where or when the Northern Collector happens. The Family would support an Alder School road alignment, but the matter is in the hands of VDOT and the County.

Another objection focused specifically on traffic impact  on 287 southbound turning westbound at Hirst Road. This intersection already backs up Wright Farm residents leaving Wright Farm getting onto 287 southbound. Loudoun County has released funds to study possible mitigation to this current problem, and will implement a remedy project, regardless of whether or not anything happens at Warner Brook.

Further objection was raised that planned development for 160 single family detached homes would adversely affect Wright Farm home prices. Home builders have suggested that Warner Brook would build 160 detached homes of 3,000 to 4,000 square feet on 10,000sf lots priced in the $625,000 to $850,000 range. Wright Farm homes are generally 4,500sf to 7,000sf on three to four acre lots, valued in the $750,000 to $1,200,000 range. A Warner Brook home of 3,000sf on one-quarter acre lot price at $600,000 would comparably support commensurately higher value for Wright Farm larger homes on larger lots. Warner Brook market impact would strengthen and improve the relative value of homes in Wright Farm.

A question was asked about schools and where would Warner Brook residents’ children go to school. Warner Brook full occupancy is easily eight years into the future, in which time Loudoun County may implement further classroom expansion projects. Discussions between the Town and the County if the annexation application gets to that point will certainly address this important issue.

A question that Wright Farm residents did not ask was how their neighbors who are residents and businesses in the Town of Purcellville will pay for the broader community’s no-growth agenda, since these neighbors in Town will have to pay 100% of the increased taxes and utility fees that would be necessary under the present fiscal scenario to maintain Town solvency.


2018, July 16 HOA Updates, Bradbury Glen

2018/07/16 Bradbury Glen HOA

The Bradbury Glen HOA meeting on July 16 included Warner Brook as an agenda item. The Bradbury Glen residents in attendance heard  about the size and scope of mixed use concepts being proposed within the Warner Brook annexation application, and the impact opportunities and challenges of potential development.

The family was thanked for coming to meet with the residents. All discussion then focused on the internal traffic issues facing Bradbury Glen.

2018, June 21 HOA Updates, Kingsbridge

2018/06/21 Kingsbridge HOA

The Kingsbridge HOA annual meeting on June 22 included Warner Brook as an agenda item. After listening to a briefing about the mixed use concept and its potential benefits and impacts, many questions and comments from Kingsbridge residents were discussed.

Are developers behind Warner Brook?

An initial question asked if the Warners and/or Jim Herbert were developers, and whether a developer was behind the concept. The answer is No. Then the question was asked whether the Warners and/or Jim Herbert would make money if the project was approved. The answer is Yes. Landowners make money when they sell their land, and broker/advisors make money if they assist such transactions.  An unasked but underlying question is whether the land would be worth more in the future after concept approval than it is today. Yes, getting land approved for higher uses increases the market value of the land, especially if the uses are consistent with a community’s character and they benefit its citizens.

The family’s plan now is that developers would get involved after an approved concept is in place following annexation, rezoning, and site plan approval. At that future time land bays would be sold to developers, probably multiple developers for each use respectively, one for sportsplex, one for light industrial, one for mixed commercial, and one for residential.

Scott Warner summarized the family position. They want to work in partnership with the Town to put into place something that would bring meaningful progress to Purcellville, by adding amenities and conveniences to its citizens, by generating economic development drivers for retailers and for small businesses of Purcellville, and by contributing fiscal sustainability to the Town finances. The family wants their town to have a say in how the land is developed, and the family wants their town to benefit as much as possible from such development. Without annexation, the town loses the ability to shape and control what happens on Warner Brook.

Does Warner Brook fit with the comprehensive plan?

Warner Brook is not currently within the Town of Purcellville, which is the reason for submitting the annexation application.  Warner Brook is in the jurisdiction of Loudoun County on the edges of the Town of Purcellville. It is zoned JLMA. It is on the County comprehensive plan as Joint Land Management Area. JLMA property is recognized as holding strategic potential for incorporated township growth through annexation. JLMA indicates that the County and the Town will together discuss any planned annexation of JLMA parcels. From this zoning and planning aspect Warner Brook plans are consistent with Loudoun County comprehensive plan intentions.

Within the Town adjoining Warner Brook, the Town Comprehensive Plan 2018 Townwide Land Use Plan Map  draft version 6.7.2018 shows a mix of the same uses proposed for Warner Brook. These include Industrial Business on Hirst Rd and on 611 at Nichols, Richardson, and Shepardstown, opposite Warner Brook; Residential on 611 throughout Mayfair, opposite Warner Brook; Mixed Use Neighborhood Scale on Hirst Rd, south of Rt. 7 Bypass from Warner Brook; and Parks and Open Space on Hirst Road along Catoctin Creek, a use planned for 44 acres of Warner Brook. From this aspect, Warner Brook after annexation would be consistent with the Town of Purcellville comprehensive plan intentions.

Traffic on Hirst Rd. at 287 and at 690 is already bad

Other questions were asked about traffic impact on Hirst Road, noting the problems being experienced today at 690 and especially at 287. Warner Brook is a slow growth project that would not have any traffic impact for approximately four years. Today’s Hirst Road interchange problems will not be made better or worse by Warner Brook anytime soon. The overall projected impact from Warner Brook would not be realized until the project is fully developed, seven or eight (or more) years from now.

The County FY19 budget includes funding to study the 287 intersection with Hirst Road to determine improvements that need to be made. Beginning after July 1, 2018 the County will address this existing problem and will likely make mitigating improvements before Warner Brook would have any impact.  At 690, VDOT plans to begin construction of a fully functional interchange in 2022 and it might take three years to complete. That would be slightly before Warner Brook full impacts would be in effect. The 690 interchange would allow some traffic to use Mayfair Crown Drive to access Warner Brook without using Hirst Rd. at all.

Another question asked if there couldn’t be a third Rt. 7 Bypass interchange built at 611 Purcellville Road, at Warner Brook. We are not aware if any future VDOT plans or funding ($40 million or more) for a 611 interchange with Rt. 7 Bypass.

Traffic is indeed a major issue to address during rezoning, where projected impacts, the future timing of projected impacts, and mitigations from currently planned traffic improvements are all considered together.

What about sportsplex parking for tournaments and events?

Approximately 9 acres is planned for the sportsplex building site, with 22 acres adjoining for outdoor fields. Roughly 2.7 acres of the 9 acres would be used for the building, and the balance would be planned to include adequate parking to serve the indoor and outdoor facilities.

Where would Warner Brook residents’ children go to school?

A question was raised about where Warner Brook resident children would go to school. Currently, without changes by the County, the school pyramid for Warner Brook would be Mountain View ES, Harmony MS, Woodgrove HS.

What about expenses to the Town budget from Warner Brook development?

A question was raised about expenses that would be incumbent to the Town from Warner Brook development. The R.C. Lesser fiscal impact study was closely coordinated with Town Staff to identify and quantify all possible expenses and net them out of recurring revenues. Without Staff being able to identify significant expenses, R.C. Lesser took a conservative approach by using a figure for highest possible expenses factored by the Town’s actual expense to revenue ratio, and then applying that ratio to Warner Brook annual recurring revenues. The resulting number reduces $1.44 million annual recurring revenues down to $962 thousand net incremental annual recurring income. Further to expenses, the fiscal impact study projects one time fees income to the Town of $10.9 million. If that money was applied to reduce bond debt principle, annual debt service expenses would be reduced by $600 thousand annually. Warner Brook fiscal impact to the Town on an annual recurring basis could be the sum of incremental income plus expense reductions, or $1.56 million to the Town bottom line annually.

Overall comments from Kingsbridge citizens

Thank you for taking the time to meet with us directly.

The sportsplex would be a convenience to residents who otherwise drive their kids long distances to practices and games.

Visitors to the sportsplex would bring economic development benefits to Purcellville businesses.

Mixed commercial retail at Warner Brook would reduce southbound traffic on 611 and Hatcher for trips onto Main Street for basic conveniences.

Purcellville could use more retail, especially for things we can’t get here in town.

The location of Warner Brook is clearly a strategic opportunity for Purcellville growth and progress.

Purcellville should take advantage of Warner Brook and gain the benefits, rather than the County.

Traffic needs to be addressed before final approval.

Planned uses at Warner Brook would be very fitting with the overall character and feel of Purcellville.

Industrial small businesses should go in Warner Brook.

We moved to Purcellville for its small town community. The family sports and recreation planned for Warner Brook fit with this community.

The added commercial tax base and fiscal impact will help the Town keep our private citizen taxes and utility rates low.

2018, May 24 HOA Updates, Main Street Village

During the May 24 meeting of the Main Street Village HOA, Purcellville residents reacted to the Warner Brook concept plan with questions and comments.

Initial questions about traffic were addressed, noting that Warner Brook traffic impact would take place in a slow growth manner after years of annexation, rezoning, site plan approval preceded construction, and construction would take place in phases over a few more years. Looking at Warner Brook traffic impact as an eight year project would be slow growth, coordinated with the Town, the County, and with VDOT.  Hirst Rd. improvements at 690 Hillsboro Rd and at 270 Berlin Turnpike will be under way or completed by the time Warner Brook has any impact.

It was appreciated that Warner Brook would build upon Purcellville’s sports related complexion anchored around Fireman’s Field, and would bring even more beneficial sports tourism and related visitor based economic development to the town. It was also noted that small businesses in light industrial uses would have more real estate ownership opportunities in Purcellville at Warner Brook.

The aspect of Warner Brook fiscal impact to the Town’s budget was discussed. Warner Brook is slow growth, and it cannot come online fast enough to meet the financial pressures from no-growth policies that will force the Council to significantly raise water and sewer rates by 56% over the next five years.

The family was complimented for making the effort to participate in the HOA meetings of residents, for plainly stating the case for Warner Brook, for addressing questions and concerns directly, and for putting up a website with information for reference.